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INTERACTIVE SESSION WITH THE COLLECTIVE LEADERSHIP, NSCN (GPRN)
NOVEMBER 25, 2021
Hosted by Naga Students’ Union Delhi (NSUD) and the Naga Peoples Movement for Human Rights (NPMHR) Delhi. Gulmohar Auditorium, India Habitat Centre, New Delhi
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Interactive Session with the Collective Leadership, NSCN (GPRN) November 25, 2021 Gulmohar Auditorium, India Habitat Centre, New Delhi
This leaflet is a collection of speeches and the Q & A on Naga issue recorded during an Interactive Session with the Collective Leadership, NSCN (GPRN) which was hosted by the Naga Students’ Union Delhi and the Naga Peoples Movement for Human Rights (NPMHR) Delhi.
Published by the Naga Students’ Union, Delhi, 2021 Place of Publication: New Delhi Copyright: Naga Students’ Union, Delhi (NSUD) Compiled and Edited by Isaac Inkah, Tribunal Member, Naga Students’ Union, Delhi(NSUD) and Member, Naga Peoples Movement for Human Rights, Delhi (NPMHR) Layout Designed: Wisanni Newmai
The speeches and discussions (Q &A) were edited and paraphrased by the editor for clarityand brevity of thoughts.
THE COLLECTIVE LEADERSHIP,NSCN WAS REPRESENTED BY: 1. Rh.Raising, Member, Collective Leadership, NSCN 2. Vikiye Sumi, Member, Collective Leadership, NSCN 3. Kraibo Chawang, Member, Collective Leadership, NSCN 4. Meyong Phom, Member, Collective Leadership, NSCN
The programme began with a brief introduction and a welcome note by Isaac Charenamei, President of the Naga Students’ Union, Delhi (NSUD). He pointed out that such face-to-face interaction was long overdue and thanked the members of the Collective Leadership for taking out their time for the event. Charenamei expressed that the younger Naga citizens like any other common citizens want to see the aspiration, assertion, and struggle for Nagas legitimate political right with distinct political identity coming into light at the earliest possible time under the leadership of the current Collective Leadership.
EXCERPT FROM THE KEYNOTE ADDRESS BY RH. RAISING, MEMBER, COLLECTIVE LEADERSHIP, NSCN We are here to have an interaction with you to talk about
The Naga people view any kind of agreement that
the outcome of the talk. You must very anxious to hear
betrays the principle or the issue of the Nagas as ‘No
what is happening in the talk. We face lots of difficult
Solution’. For instance, the 16 Point Agreement was
problems. It is a very tough negotiation and we are
made at the expense of the issue (the people) and the
negotiating with very slippery people. But even then we
Shillong Accord was also made or arrived at the expense
tried to overcome those roadblocks, how difficult it may
of the principle. So those agreements were ‘no solution’
be and we continue to manage to overcome the
for us so fighting and confrontation continued for years.
But after decades of continued armed confrontation, the
We are here today on behalf of the talk team, Collective
government of India invited the NSCN leadership for a
Leadership, NSCN and the people.
To begin with, I would like to start by saying that the
During the initial phase of the negotiation, both the
concept of Naga politics is founded on the rock of Naga
negotiating parties took their respective tough stands.
national principle which is Free Nagalim for Christ. It is
The government of India said, “Solution within the
this spirit, and concept that inspired and guided us thus
parameters of the Indian constitution and Union of
far. In fact, we Nagas are very political people. We Nagas
India” whereas the NSCN and the Naga leaders said,
are revolutionary people. We Nagas are issue-based
“Nothing to do with India and nothing sort of total
people. We are principle-based people from the very
independence and total sovereignty”. So their stands
beginning i.e. from the times of our forefathers despite
were parallel to each other with no meeting point. After a
illiteracy and other lapses here and there. They were very
series of negotiations both the parties narrowed down
political. It is on account of their stand that we are still
their stand to the Framework Agreement (FA) that was
carrying on. It is them who defended the cause of the
signed on the 3rd of August 2015. The FA reiterates and
Nagas with blood and sweat. They leave behind a living
recognised the unique history and position of the Nagas.
legacy for us.
By unique history, it means “the Nagas has a history of
Our resistance movement was inspired and guided by
independence and the Nagas was never part of Union of
our philosophy and political concept because without the
India or government either by consent or by conquest”.
concept we couldn’t start with revolution.
History will ever speak of these facts.
We cannot start a movement of the people. It has to be
In 1950, the Constituent Assembly invited the Nagas to
guided by a political concept that is rooted in history. Our
join the Indian Union but it was rejected by the Naga
people as I have said earlier are issue-based. Nagas are
people. The16 Point Agreement was an attempt to
murder the issue of the Nagas but it was also rejected by
aggressor was and is issue-based. Our negotiation with
the Naga people. Likewise, the Shillong Accord was
the government of India is issue-based and that the
another attempt but it was also rejected and condemned
solution should be issue-based. That is where we stand.
by the people and the Naga National Assembly.
The FA includes the word sovereignty. The FA says “both
In discretion, it is agreed that the government of India
sides have understood each other respective position and are
recognizes the Naga position that integration of all
cognizance of the universal principle that in democracy
Naga contiguous areas is their legitimate right. For the
sovereignty lies with the people”. This means the
best possible solution, all necessary positive steps shall
sovereignty of the Nagas lies with the Naga people
be taken at the earliest and all the parties agreed that
whereas the sovereignty of the Indians lies with the
matters shall be amicably resolved to the political
Indian people. “Accordingly the government of India and
NSCN respecting people wishes for sharing sovereign power as
By “Nagaland or Nagalim” it means Naga ancestral
defined in the competencies reached an agreement on 3rd of
domains. It embraces all Naga territories in India
August 2015 as an honorablesolution.” By “shared
including Naga territories in Myanmar. But we know
sovereignty” it means Nagas will be exercising their
that there are some people from some quarters who
sovereign powers in their affairs however there will be
advocate solutions for Nagas of Nagaland state alone.
areas where Nagas and Indians will share sovereign
They are Nagaland state-centric which is but the
powers as defined in the competencies. The FA states for
antitheses of the Naga national principle. The
an “enduring inclusive relationship of peaceful co-existence of
Government of India (GoI) is taking undue advantage
the two entities”. By inclusive, it means all Nagas including
of disunity among the Nagas and has started exploiting
other political groups will be part of the agreement or part
the situation. It has also started exploring other
of the solution. Whereas “new relationship” means a new
options to impose its will upon the Nagas. Some of the
relationship between India and Nagas based on the
Indian leaders have also gone even to the extent of
framework agreement and its competencies and not any
misinterpreting the content of the FA intentionally so
other agreement/s or Indian constitution.
that it is negated. This is a matter of concern for all of
By “co-existences of the two entities” it means Indian and
Nagas as two peoples or nations will co-exist. They will
What is your opinion if things go wrong in the
work together in many areas and live together as
negotiating table? All of us are part of the movement
different kinds of flowers bloom together in the world.
and that we are all actors in one way or the other. It is
Flag and constitution are ingredients of the unique history
everybody’s business and time has come for us again to
and sovereignty of the Nagas. Flags and constitutions are
speak on the issue with one voice and one mind.
the symbols of Naga's national identity. We cannot
But we believe that nothing will be impossible to God
imagine a political solution without the Naga flag and
who is the final authority.
“co-existences of the two entities”
EXCERPT FROM THE KEYNOTE ADDRESS BY VIKIYE SUMI, MEMBER, COLLECTIVE LEADERSHIP, NSCN
This interaction is crucial and timely as many problems
When there was fighting between the Indian armed
have cropped up between the negotiating parties. I would
forces in the late 50 some Indian-centric group of
like to say that many people especially from Nagaland
people signed the 16 Point Agreement led by the Naga
state (though I don’t want to differentiate into different
Peoples Convention. They (NPC and the GoI) might
segments I have to say) are propagating that solution
have felt that there will be peace in Naga society once
within the state of Nagaland would bring peace in the
the 16 Point Agreement was signed but that was not
so. I had a very long argument with him that day. He
In the recent past, I have had an encounter with one of the
told me that we will sit again but unfortunately, we
very senior leaders who was an ex-Minister, a very
couldn’t sit due to our busy schedules.
qualified intellectual as well. He questioned and argued
Do you know how many Nagas have died and how
that the solution should be within the state of Nagaland.
many Nagas were killed by the Indian armed forces?
So I asked him whether he is sure that peace will prevail in
You are the future of the Nagas, the great leaders of
the Naga society if the Naga problem is be resolved within
the Nagas. Though many of you are highly intellectual
the state of Nagaland. I also questioned him whether he
and qualified I don’t know how many of you are
will be able to control his own brother, cousin, sisters, and
analysing the situation, the impending situation that
friends of Nagaland state to not join the ranks of any
might arise in the later stage i.e. post signing of an
organization when there is an armed conflict across the
agreement with the government of India by the people
border i.e. Manipur, Assam, Arunachal, and Myanmar.
of the Nagaland state. I can visualize a great conflict.
I am not even in the position to control my brothers. My
We told the Indian authorities and representative that
first cousin is in the NSCN (Unification) and another
“if you feel that you want to solve the problems of some
cousin in NNC. I also told him that “your cousin is here
group of Nagas why don’t you go ahead and resolve
with us in NSCN (GPRN) and one of your cousins is in
with them. But we will not be a party to it”. And every
Myanmar. Why can’t you control your cousins?” He kept
time the GoI has responded that “No, we will not sign
quiet and was not able to respond to my queries. I also
an agreement with them”. We have questioned them
throw a challenge to him that if he can guarantee that
time and again. We cannot leave the Naga issue at the
there will be peace in our society once the Naga problem is
hands of some reckless people. I want to be tough on
resolved within the state of Nagaland then I will be the
that. My conscience is very clear. I am not saying we
first one to join his ranks and join in what they are
won’t include our adversaries. We will include them
propagating for. He couldn’t assure me because he knows
after all we are all Nagas. We will all join hands
that there won’t be peace even if you resolve the problem
together in rebuilding the Naga society. We have never
within the Nagaland state. I also reminded him of the 16
said “no” to any of them.hen the Naga problem is
resolved everyone will be part of the agreement so instead of fighting for the common cause
8 and the rights of the Nagas and if you/they continue to side
the name of negotiation/political solution then what
with them (GoI) then the Indians will be happy. If we say ‘yes’
will be the future of the Nagas. The generation will
to what the Indians have formulated so easily then what will
curse on us because they have not done anything for
be the fate of the Naga people. Because you have not fought
the young generation. What we have in the 16 Point
and negotiated you simply have said ‘yes’ to what the Indian
Agreement is only packages/financial aid. So for how
government or the Indian representative has said. Why don’t
long shall, we continue to depend on the Indians? On
you argue with the Indians and why didn’t you tell the Indians
the economic front, we also need to find a way for self-
about the rights of the Nagas? How can we leave the issue
sustenance. We are worried about the economic field
just like that? Therefore we have told the Indian
because none of the Nagas are experts in the economic
representative about the rights of the Nagas. We are telling
field. We are trying our best by consulting with retired
our people too and today we are telling our people here in
bureaucrats, retired financial experts, etc. We are
Delhi that we are trying very hard while negotiating for the
considering their suggestion.
rights of the Nagas. It is not easy to convince the mighty
We are negotiating to make sure that our resources
Indians. The Indians know the rights of the Nagas.
will be in our hands. As per the FA we have to share the
There are two core issues that we couldn’t resolve (yet to be
custom duties though it is with the Centre (List I)
resolved) i.e. the flag and the constitution. We are trying hard
whatever comes through (border) the Nagas areas we
and we just couldn’t leave the right of the Nagas like that.
will share with the GoI. There are many points to
There are some features that we have taken from the Indian
negotiate. There are so many points that we have to
constitution and we also have included indigenous elements
concede as well. The Nagas will benefit from such
in the content of the constitution.
negotiation. But should we concede those by seeking
In the meantime, we are also discussing the question of self-
for a solution within the state of Nagaland?
sustenance. If we accept the 16 Point Agreement as it is, in
Intervention and further elucidation from Rh. Raising
Here it is a policy matter. This revolution is a long-term policy or long-term politics. It may be settled this year or it may continue for another 20 years or more I don’t know because it is long-term politics. But there is another short-term politics i.e. the state government participating in the Indian government system. We were taught that all people who serve the Indian government were termed as CID. Even LP teachers were shot because they were taken as CID or informers. When Assam Rifle comes to your village then we used to say that enemies are coming but SDO or civil workers were welcome without fear. Our world in the past was a one-prong strategy only. There are enemies in many forms such as the Assam Rifles, legislature, bureaucrats, etc. So multi-prong strategy is needed.
You can participate in the short-term policy without foregoing your long-term policy/principle. But for the sake of shortterm politics, you cannot sell out your politics. You can participate in the Assembly, bureaucracy, police, Assam Rifles, or even in the intelligence department but without foregoing your principle. You can be anybody without betraying your principle. So if our younger generation here wants to compete and join Civil Services or other bureaucratic posts they can do so. But it is wrong to say that such jobs/posts are anti-Naga but it is just a policy matter. So you can work in Delhi, or anywhere else in the world. Be it in private or government sectors. We are not opposed to that choice. With God’s grace, we are trying hard to solve the problems at the earliest time possible. Ample of opportunities will open up for all of us once the solution comes. If it doesn’t come sooner then we shall continue to give the short-term policy to you. We should give the shortterm policy to you because everybody cannot be an underground or revolutionary. Everybody cannot fight in the jungle. We should be spread out on all fronts. Like the Jews that never forget their Jerusalem. Don’t forget your Jerusalem. Nagas should not forget their Jerusalem.
9 EXCERPT FROM THE KEYNOTE ADDRESS BY KRAIBO CHAWANG, MEMBER, COLLECTIVE LEADERSHIP, NSCN
I want to begin my speech by posing these questions. Who
Prof. Gangmumei was one of the delegates representing
should decide the future of the Nagas? Who should decide
the minorities of India. That message went to the
your future? Should the Naga future be decided by
external forces or by ourselves? Our forefathers have not
supporting the Nagas cause. MP Prof.Meijinlung and
failed on their stand. When the British came and tried to
Grinder Muivah etc. were instrumental in assisting the PM
impose on the Nagas, Haipou Jadonang resisted so he was
of India in contacting the NSCN. PM Narasimha Rao also
arrested and accused falsely and hanged. Later came A.Z.
met the NSCN leaders in secrecy and they met in Paris and
Phizo and made a huge breakthrough and through him,
he was invited for a talk.
people awareness was brought. He has not failed in his
Three Indian generals ruled out a military solution. They
time. Many other leaders like Imkongmeren, Khodao
have categorically stated that Nagasissue is not a law and
Yanthan, Isaac Swu, Th. Muivah and others have also
stood their ground.
When Atal Bihari Vajpayee visited Kohima in 2003 he
The confrontation started when Naga stood for the Naga
commented saying “I’m convinced that there is an
identity by saying we are Naga and not Indians. The Indian
overwhelming desire among Naga people for a permanent
leaders said we cannot be Naga but Indian and thus
peace with honorand dignity. The central government has
confrontation begins. Jawaharlal Nehru went to the
equally strong desire for permanent peace in Nagaland
extent of saying “Even if heaven falls or India goes to
based on a lasting solution with dignity for its people.”
pieces and blood runs red in the country…. Nagas will not
When the Indian leaders met Manmohan Singh he said we
be allowed to be independent”.
were very serious we have to negotiate politically even
There was a time when the whole villages were burned
outside the box and go the extra mile.
down, mass concentration, rape, and other human rights
Framework Agreement has been signed but we show
abuses were committed. Naga people have resisted
something fishy they are trying to disown or twist the FA.
making the whole world know that Nagas are fighting for
That’s why we have come here to understand together
their rights. How small or how weak the Naga maybe we
what the actual position is.
have stood and fought for our ground.
In the words of PM Modi said during the signing of the FA
The political talk and ceasefire came into existence after a
in 2015. “Today’s agreement is a shining example of what
series of events. In the early part of the 1990s, there was
we can achieve while we deal with each other in the spirit
fierce fighting. The Lord was with us when we fought.
of equality and respect. Trust and confidence when we
NSCN was represented in UNPO in 1993. In 1995 Th.
seek to understand concerns and address aspiration when
Muivah and Isaac Swu took the platform of the UN
we leave the part of the dispute and take the high road of
Human Rights Convention in Geneva and explained the
dialogue. It is a lesson and an inspiration in our troubled
background of Naga history and human rights violations
world. Today we marked not merely the end of a problem
in the Naga territory by the Indians. The government of
but the beginning of the new future.
India was terrified.
“We will not only try to heal wounds and resolve
The Nagas have to come together to the original
problems but also be your partners as you restore your
principle. For this let us reason together.
pride and prestige.”
In the competencies, a Pan Naga Hoho is inserted for the
“You are also the guardian of the eastern frontier and our
whole of Nagas for the protection of tradition and
gateway to the world beyond. Equally the rest of the
culture. Since the 16 Point Agreement did not resolve
nation will join you in shaping a future of dignity
the core issue of the Nagas. The GoI appointed the
opportunity and prosperity.”
interlocutors to resolve the issue. RN Ravi as governor
The uniqueness of the Naga is not cultural or social but
started glorifying the 16 Point Agreement as the unique
historical and political. Things went wrong and Nagas
history. The statue of Imkongliba who was the leader of
were not able to stand together. The government of India
the 16 Point Agreement was made in the Raj Bhavan,
wants to keep the Nagas divided and subdivided. Under
the leadership of NSCN, we are having a bilateral talk as
Instead of implementing the FA, he went back to the 16
two entities but there is another group that wants to be
Point Agreement. The Nagas were successfully divided.
under the Union of India. The government of India came
Nagas were successfully divided by another agreement
and created a third force that is negotiating under the
against the FA i.e. the Agreed Position. This is the
Indian constitution which is unilateral. The problems are
problem now and if we Nagas do not come together and
in many ways created by the Nagas also and the GoI is
understand these issues in front of us then we will be
taking undue advantage.
victims of that.
EXCERPT OF THE PROCEEDING OF THE DISCUSSION HOUR (Q &A)
Therefore we cannot go away from India and India cannot go away from the Nagas. We will not merge with the ocean of the Indian Union or Constitution but we will
On the outcome of the recent talk
co-exist with India. We will not merge at the expense of
Response from Rh. Raising
our identity. We can be friends in political, social,
We have been having talks for decades. It is history. So
cultural, sectors, etc. But we cannot make friendship at
we have discussed all the issues many times but as I have
the cost of my political identity. Therefore there will be
mentioned earlier Indian leaders are very slippery. They
say ‘yes’ in the morning and ‘no’ in the evening. We are
“You exercised your sovereignty in your internal affairs”,
negotiating with these types of people. However, by the
that is the assurance from the government of India but
grace of God, we manage to win over their hearts and
there will be some areas where we will share. But now
reached the Framework Agreement. The FA is a mutually
we are not given that power and we cannot decide our
future and affairs by ourselves.
recognized the unique history, unique identity and
We keep saying that we are people who have been
sovereign rights of the Nagas. However, Nagas have total
exercising total sovereignty. But nowadays no country is
totally independent but everything is interdependent or
Sovereignty in the past was with the monarch who was
interrelated. Even US, the superpower today is
the only sovereign authority. But now democracy has
dependent on many other nations in one way or the
come overthrowing the monarchical type of government.
other, so nothing exists in total isolation. Even we human
Democracy is pluralism. Sovereignty is divided for
beings cannot isolate ourselves. Whether we like it or not
instance; all the independent countries leave part of their
we have to share with the animal kingdom. Nagas are
sovereignty with the UN. When they enter into treaties
dependent on India in many aspects likewise India is also
with some other countries it gives away some
dependent on Nagas on security. The idea of shared
sovereignty. Sovereignty is compromised. In total
sovereignty was proposed by the Indian leadership since
sovereignty, there will be nothing to share with others.
there was no meeting point. FA was the meeting point of
Sovereignty is recognized by India however the GoI says
these two entities. We have given up something likewise
‘you cannot go away from the government of India.We
they have also given up something. We don’t believe in
cannot compromise the security of India because Nagas
total independence or total isolation from others.
Hills is strategically located and without Naga Hills, India
Nothing here on earth exists in total isolation. Every
security is vulnerable therefore they cannot part with
nation is interdependent. The position once was
the Naga people and their territory’. That is their
diametrical opposite to each other.
Flag and constitution is an ingredient of our unique history. In 1950 the Indian Constituent Assembly invited the Nagas to join the Union of India. But the Nagas rejected the invitation, so the resistance movement began. They tried to suppress the movement with military might but they can’t so they invited our Naga leaders for political dialogue. Likewise, Eastern Nagas were invited by General Aung San but Nagas in Myanmar are not a party to the Union of Myanmar.
On the question of alternative strategy if talk fails/deadlock Response from Rh. Raising
On the question of political thinking and
If talks fail then that is not the end of the world. If the talk
fails we will not go to the jungle. We will go back to the
Response from Rh. Raising
people. Why should we go back to the jungle? We will go
You are what you (think) have decided. Ideology moves
back to the people because it was guerrilla warfare that
not only individuals but society, nation, and the world at
was turned into a mass movement by the NSCN. We will
large. We cannot make a building without the decision or
go back to the street and shout and fight for our rights
ideal. We cannot have an individual life without political
democratically. We have been fighting against the
philosophy whether you like it or not politics is in us.
Burmese forces and Indian forces for more than 40 years.
Jesus said “love your neighbours” and this is political.
I joined in 1975 and have been on the fighting front for
Politics is nothing but people’s philosophy. A time will
years. I’m alive by His grace. So we know the hard life of
come when the whole population understands what
an underground cadre. We will go back to the people and
politics is. Politics is the root. If politics is murdered
mobilize world opinion, and people’s opinions. We will
everything will fall apart. If the root is cut off then the
also talk with the Indian leaders here in Delhi and build
branches, flowers, leaves of the tree will eventually die.
up the damaged vision, the broken pieces. We will
Therefore politics is the central subject which everybody
rebuild it. I don’t think we will go back to the jungle.
should understand. For instance, the village is governed by laws headed by the gaonbura/chairman. Without politics, we cannot take a village. We cannot govern a village. So political thinking is very important. One cannot stay away from society because we are interrelated. You cannot do anything on your own accord. There should be a society. There should be a family. There should be a nation. There should be a government.
On the question of the current talk, the
On the question of territory and Naga
flag and the constitution
Response from Rh. Raising
Response from Rh. Raising
We are going back home to consult our people. Because
We were politically divided by a colonial power. So we
we cannot compromise on the principle but they (GoI)
should be united politically. Unification of all Naga
are reluctant to allow us to go home but some of us have
territories and unification of all Nagas wherever they are
already left for home and we will also be flying very soon.
located is a natural necessity. My hand is cut off and then
The government of India is also working on it and they
given to somebody else and my legs are scattered
should work on it so that an amicable solution is arrived
somewhere. Then there will come a time for me to gather
at. Otherwise, a deadlock will come. Previously they kept
back all parts of my body together. Now is the time for
their commitment but they went back on their word. So
the Nagas to get together and not to divide. We have
we have to see what steps can be taken. We can’t say
been in the wilderness of sin for a long time. Now the
there is a positive outcome. It is under discussion.
time has come to gather together in our promised land. There is no question of going back. And we don’t believe
Response from Vikiye Sumi
in the language of departmentalism tribalism and
This is not to be exposed now but to some extent, the
sectarianism. Those are viruses that eat into the territory
government of India might like to recognize it in the
of a good society that is advancing or in a growing stage.
future. I am not saying that they have recognized. This is
We rule out advocating departmentalism and division.
under discussion and in case they recognised it then our
Such question of Nagas of Nagaland not willing to accept
point will be where and how to locate and when to locate
Nagas Manipur and Myanmar does not arise. Those are
it. The flag code has to be prepared.
the voices of an individual. The whole of Naga Assembly decides not an individual or few groups of people. In fact,
Kraibo Chawang continues
Nagas are emotionally integrated. Emotional integration
These are the two core subjects. The government of India
was done under the leadership of pioneers like Phizo i.e.
has not given its clear term on it so far. We have told
emotional integration of Nagas wherever they are
them (GoI) that “If flag and constitution are ruled out
located. The term Manipur is the language of the
then there is no point of going further”.
enemies. It is colonial language; we should not say or identify ourselves as Manipuri. We are in the process of becoming perfect nationhood. If some
geographical area then we should not listen to such voices.
“If flag and constitution are ruled out then there is no point of going further”.
On the question of Capacity Building
And the problem is political so we need a political solution. We need political power to determine
everything. We are keeping those subjects in mind and
Response from Vikiye Sumi We are taking into account the various capacity-building measures. We also believe if the matter is resolved politically
automatically fall into place. So we are taking into account various aspects as well such as healthcare, education,
technology, skill development, etc.
we have not side-lined those issues. It’s all mentioned in the competencies. After the solution, those will be surely implemented. We can’t execute now because we don’t have the authority to decide our future by ourselves. Supposing we want to send lakh of students to foreign countries like USA, Japan, China for pursuing education in different fields but we cannot do it now because the deciding power is not with us. Our MLAs and MPs go to the higher command because they have no authority to
On the question of economic sustainability
decide by themselves.
Our fighting is focused on power. Power to decide the future by ourselves. Power to manage our affairs by
Response from Rh. Raising
We have rich minerals and other resources. On top of
ourselves. Currently, our statehood is associated with
that, we are border with Myanmar and China and share
India. When the power is in us we will send out our
close proximity with ASEAN nations such as Thailand,
people to pursue various courses in other countries. And
Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc. Nagaland is located near
then we will have more expertise in different fields. We
the SEA market. Trade is not possible without crossing
are fighting for political power so we cannot accept any
Naga territory. This is our asset. For instance, Moreh
solution at the expense of politics. Economic packages do
(Manipur) is one of our gold mines. We have our
not serve the purpose; it cannot feed the mouth of the
resources. And we have to create markets as well.
hungry Naga people. It may feed the Nagas for 5 years or
We Nagas also have the mental potentiality to develop.
ten years but not forever.
God has given us the best gift i.e. mental potential. We will create markets and make revenue. Power makes money,
development. Politics will bring social infrastructure. If we have the political power then revenue will be there. We don’t have to worry about that. We have not forgotten all these subject matters (Economy, development, culture, etc.). Politic is the commander in chief. Politics is the root. So we are talking about the root. India is talking about the flower (development, economic packages).
Response from Vikiye Sumi This is an important issue and we cannot just leave this in negotiating the political issue. We cannot always depend on our mineral resources alone. We cannot depend on the packages, aids from the government of India alone. This is not possible. We have to find ways and means while resolving the Naga political issue. Therefore, we are working on the economic aspects as well though we are not economic experts. We are consulting wellexperienced experts. We are gaining new knowledge through such consultation.
Maharashtra, etc. are self-sufficient. They don’t need to depend on the central government for revenue. Whereas
On the question of the asymmetrical position of flag & Constitution between
Nagaland is a consumer state with no productivity,
India and Nagas and the plan for change in
productivity through taxes, sustainable developments
leadership with reference to the post of
like tourism. Supposing, we take the 16 Point Agreement
as the bedrock of the Naga society then everything is finished. We don’t have anything except packages there.
Response from Rh. Raising
We cannot just accept the idea and proposal of the
We are a people who have been running our government
Indian government blindly. We have to fight. And
from time immemorial. We have our culture based on our
therefore we are fighting. We are trying our best to
system. We have our social values. We have our laws
include everything especially the economic aspects in the
that govern society. We have our constitution. We are
negotiation. We are discussing custom duties, central
not begging a portion of the Indian constitution. We are
excise, and other sustainable development activities. And
not begging for a piece of the Indian national flag. But we
once the political issues are resolved we will also be
have our flag therefore we cannot part with these two
inviting investors (both national and international).
entities that symbolize our identity (political national identity). I have already said that Indian and Nagas will be
Response from Kraibo Chawang
sharing sovereign powers. We will not accept the Indian
The government of India has attempted to keep Naga
constitution in totality but will be shared. There are
like the zoo. How many engineering colleges, medical
elements of the Indian constitution in our competencies
colleges, science and technology colleges are there in any
that will become part of our constitution. We all know
parts of Naga areas? It lies in the political master’s hand.
that the Indian constitution, IPC, CrPC are photocopies
People talk about economic freedom/independence
of British laws. So today we take a lot from the Indian
instead of political independence. Politics is the master
Constitution but tomorrow that will become part of our
constitution. We have told the GoI that we cannot run a government without a constitution. We are running a government. They say “you exercise your sovereignty within your own affairs” but how can we exercise without a law? Everything goes by the law. They don’t want us to use the term constitution but instead want us to use Yehzhabo (Constitution in Sumi dialect) i.e.as basic law or Naga special law. But we have rejected that proposal. The Germans are also using the term basic law. Israel also uses the term basic law. There are histories behind it. In the case of Germans, the laws were dictated by the allied forces so we cannot compare with these two nations whether they use basic laws or not.
For us Yehzhabo means constitution. It is yet to be finalized so we can’t divulge everything. We cannot disclose everything when things are not settled mutually
Constitution are our rights; an inalienable right. It is not subject to discussion or change. It has to be recognized. The Sun is always the sun even if you recognize it or not. Contemporary situations cannot change the rights. We are still negotiating on these aspects. We are running a government which is a People’s Republic government of Nagaland. Monarchy will be phased out. Republic and democracy have come.
The programme was hosted by Vitso Rio, General Secretary, NSUD and Chingri Vashum, Member, NPMHR and the discussion was chaired by James Pochury, Activist. The event was rapporteur by Isaac Inkah, Member, NPMHR. The interaction program was attended by members from different Naga Civil Society Organizations located in Delhi, Units of the NSUD, and well-wishers. The meeting concluded with a vote of thanks by Akhum Longkumer, Member, Naga Peoples’ Movement for Human Rights (NPMHR).
Excerpt of the Program Host : Vitso Rio and Chingri Vashum Moderator : James Pochury Rapporteur : Isaac Inkah
Opening Prayer : Rev.Dr.Kadimna Gangmei Welcome Note : Isaac Charenamei, President, NSUD “Open up the heavens” : Marla Lemtur Message : Representatives, NSCN
“Because we believe”: Maker Kashung
“My Motherland” : Malan Thow Pamei Vote of thanks : Akhum Longkumer Closing prayer : Pastor Kahoto Kinimi
Organized by NSUD and NPMHR
Appendix: Songs My Motherland Malan Thow Panmei I was born on that land of my ancestors
And I’m proud I’ll be buried there when I die I’ll go to heaven only from that ground Of that land, of that land, my motherland
Open Up the Heavens Marla Lemtur We've waited for this day
We're gathered in Your name Calling out to You Your glory like a fire Awakening desire
My father, and his father, and his forefathers
Will burn our hearts with truth
Were the first settlers on that heavenly, virgin land Countless generations lived and died On that land, on that land, my motherland
You're the reason we're here You're the reason we're singing!
My first breath, my first sip and my first morsel Is the reason that her blood runs in my veins I’d rather die than have that blood exchanged
Open up the heavens We want to see You Open up the floodgates A mighty river
Of that land, of that land, my motherland I may go to foreign shores and learn about their ways
Flowing from Your heart Filling every part of our praise
I may even wear or eat, or earn from someone’s land But my heart belongs to where my blood bonds with that soil
Your presence in this place Your glory on our face
Of that land, of that land, my motherland We’ll shelter the needy wherever they may come from But we won’t let the strangers come for greed or selfishness Nor change our boundaries, our culture or our identity
We're looking to the skies Descending like a cloud You're standing with us now Lord, unveil our eyes
Of that land, of that land, my motherland
You're the reason we're here
I don’t care if the strangers are kings or rulers
You're the reason we're singing!
I don’t care if they bring us wealth or power I won’t fall, or trade or give up its sacredness Of that land, of that land, my motherland
Open up the heavens We want to see You Open up the floodgates
I pray for love, peace and harmony I’ll stand for truth and the future of our children I’ll fight for justice, for freedom and for liberty
A mighty river Flowing from Your heart Filling every part of our praise (2x)
For that land, for that land, my motherland
Show us, show us Your glory Show us, show us Your power Show us, show us Your glory, Lord! (2x)
Appendix: Songs Because We Believe Maker Kashung Guarda fuori è già mattina
Questo è un giorno che ricorderai Alzati in fretta e vai C'è chi crede in te Non ti arrendere Once in every life There comes a time We walk out all alone And into the light The moment won't last but then, We remember it again When we close our eyes. Like stars across the sky E per avvincere Tu dovrai vincere We were born to shine All of us here because we believe Guarda avanti e non voltarti mai Accarezza con i sogni tuoi Le tue speranze e poi Verso il giorno che verrà C'è un traguardo là Like stars across the sky E per avvincere Tu dovrai vincere We were born to shine All of us here because we believe Non arrenderti Qualcuno è con te Like stars across the sky We were born to shine E per avvincere Dovrai vincere